Commons:Equipment exchange/Archive 1

Donation: Nikon D300 + 18-55mm lens kit

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Given to The Photographer

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Full kit

This kit includes everything you need to shoot with the D300:

• Nikon D300 body
• Nikon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens (kit lens)
• 16 GB SanDisk Extreme III CompactFlash memory card (30 MB/s)
• B+W 52mm MRC UV filter for protecting the lens
• B+W 52mm circular polarizing lens filter for diminishing glare
• MH-18a battery charger
• Two Nikon batteries (EN-EL3e)
• GGS Optical Glass LCD Protector
• USB cable for transferring images from camera to PC
• Original D300 user manual and software

I'd ideally like to find someone who is an active photo contributor and wants to upgrade from an inferior camera. I'm donating for free rather than selling because I want it to go the best user possible. I'm located in San Fransciso, California, USA. Thanks for your offers! Dcoetzee (talk) 23:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Offers

May I offer myself at taker? I do not having my own camera! I always borrow or use my Motorola EX115 mobile. -- Biswarup Ganguly (talk) 05:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I would love it! I only have the crappiest Sony camera one can buy. I always upload my images PD, and lots of them. The trouble is, I live in China. I would be happy to pay the UPS. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I would like to be new user of this Nikon as well ;) I had Canon 60d once in my hands and loved possibilities of DSLRs. Currently I'm focused on shooting monuments and famous buildings in my home city (plenty of them are missing), I can also shoot photos from hot-air balloons almost everywhere in Poland. - Sunridin (talk) 10:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I could come out of retirement, contribute pictures from Iran, and Pakistan. IDangerMouse (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I currently own a D3000 and I am no longer a newbie in photography, so this camera would be a step higher. As a student I cannot afford not even a D3000, for which I took a loan which is not payed yet. I wish to buy some new lenses, the 55-200mm. If I get this camera, I would change mine with the lenses. Having just portrait lenses prevent you from shooting a lot of awesome images from nature such as animals. I recently experienced the disadvantages of not having professional equipment at an Air Show (I have photos uploaded to Commons). I will support any shipping costs in case of accepting me.  Daniel  Message  12:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I have contributed in commons for many years, I have traveled to the remotest places to get good photographs (up to 2 weeks without civilization), I have visited remote villages to capture what words can not be captured. I live in a country where buying a Nikon d300, I would take together for 3 years, I would have to collect 70% of my salary. I have performed many experiments to counteract the adverse effects of having a small sensor. Sometimes I made camouflage clothing and have spent a whole day waiting for a bird this close to me. If you decide to send this beautiful camera, I would contribute the same way as I did, I would facilitate achieving best shots. My work focuses on places where nobody goes, I like to capture the poverty, the emotion in the faces of people, nature and environmental pollution. I remember feeling frustration at being rejected some of my photos made with great difficulty due to the small sensor problem, for months I dedicated myself to paint things that went well with my cheap camera. I've never had a camera like the Nikon D300 in my hands, yet I promise you study it and get the maximum juice. I studied in a professional photographic concepts, however, I could apply that knowledge, I had to settle gadget as CHKD, I programmed scripts for things that my camera can not do. If you decide to give me this camera, I can not pay the shipping, however, I would love this camera, I take care and protect her, my faithful companion. Thank you very much. --The Photographer (talk) 13:10, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Conclusion

I appreciate all your offers, and many of you are great dedicated contributors. I reviewed contributions and other information and have selected The Photographer to receive the camera. Their dedication as explained above is reflected in their extensive upload history, and they show a strong familiarity with both technical and aesthetic aspects of photography. My only concern was that because of their low income and location they would be unable to supplement the 18-55mm lens to form a complete lens kit. As such I have taken the liberty of ordering two cheap but high-quality lenses to complement this kit, the Sigma 50-200mm f/4.0-5.6 Sigma 70-300mm f/4.0-5.6 and the Nikon 50mm f/1.8D. I'm also adding on a cheap lens cleaning kit, and will cover the cost of shipping. I'll follow up with them by e-mail. Dcoetzee (talk) 14:47, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I am so pleased, have informed family and friends. I had never received an award like that, that beautiful camera, I've been thinking about many ways to thank this. I can not stand the excitement. I receive humbly and with great appreciation. I do not know what to say right now, I'm ordering my thoughts that pass quickly. --The Photographer (talk) 15:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Congratulation The Photographer, and many many thanks to Dcoetzee, for your wonderful initiative, you have shown an example, in fact there are so many people those are having good unused equipments, if they donate some part to the low income group of dedicated photographers, Commons will be benefited. -- Biswarup Ganguly (talk) 16:36, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I came here to try and get the camera, but decided against it when I saw The Photographer's post. I look forward to seeing the world through that camera (freely licenced, of course), and think that you'll do a better job than I ever could. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:58, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Bravo. Great initiative and great example of sustainable development. --Foroa (talk) 18:22, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree. There are times like this when I am truly proud to be part of this community, and its sense of sharing. Kudos to Dcoetzee and The Photographer (looking forward seeing your new photographs ;-) Jean-Fred (talk) 21:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

+1. Rd232 (talk) 02:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

A very generous contribution Dcoetzee and congats to The Photographer. I just had a thought about the voltage input of the charger. Does it accept 120 through 240 volts 50/60Hz input as many do nowadays? You may wish to ship it with fully charged batteries incase there is a delay to find a way to charge them. I assume it is coming from a 120 volt 60 Hz country.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

MH-18a battery charger, Input: 100v-240V, AC50/60Hz. I just checked on Ebay.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:27, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

So glad to see this generosity, and even gladder to see you didn't waste an expensive camera on me since I hardly understand how to use the cheapo one I've got! Bob the Wikipedian ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Just pointing out something else - if others carry on this initiative, it has the potential to help against systemic bias by getting good equipment into the hands of photographers in places where it's harder to obtain it. Kudos and super excited on behalf of all involved :D sonia 00:44, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

So happy about the initiative too and that The Photographer got the first donation. I have often thought that if there was one user who deserved a donated DSLR it would be him. Extremely generous of Dcoetzee to also buy supplementary lenses and pay for the shipping. Way to go!. Looking forward to seeing more high quality contribs from Venezuela. But many other users could benefit from this program, also the users users who came to this page. I hope this will not be a standalone example. --Slaunger (talk) 12:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I am very sorry that the others who tendered were unable to get the team good luck for next time. I hope this does not discourage you. I am extremely happy and fills me with joy to know that soon came that beautiful camera in my hands, I have prepared a place for her and glasses in my room. Before this camera remember spending whole days better photos with gimp, then I decided to paint things and I was pretty good, to the end I gave up, just as it happened, you told me about this Slaunger offer that could not reject, I steeled myself and I discuss how much I love this project and as though I have not had the resources sufficient for a good camera, I never leave. I learned things as camouflage in the jungle, and be patient, take a deep breath and wait a day for a good shot, I learned to live with Indians or persons unknown, to earn the confidence to get good shots. I hope this is the beginning of a beautiful initiative to help our brothers in the Third World can not have access to purchase a quality camera. Hopefully this is possible, over time, the cameras will be better (planned obsolescence) in a market system that drives us to buy cameras at every turn there will always be room for reaching out to a brother. Thank you all. --The Photographer (talk) 03:15, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations to The Photographer, and many thanks to Dcoetzee for his initiative and generosity. Yann (talk) 09:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I second that. The camera is going into the right hands, and Dcoetzee is very kind indeed. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

A couple of days the camera has come to hand. I would make a public thanks to Coetzee. As he has promised the camera has arrived, the community should support these activities. It's a real beauty camera, holds quite comfortable and the sound of blast is just beautiful. Right now I'm using my old camera as reconnaissance camera. Then go with the DCoetzee camera. I have had the opportunity to throw in paragliding with D300 camera for some shots, I also photographed some plants, a total of only about 23 shots. I'm thinking that photograph well, I would not let you down, I've been doing my best to capture beautiful pictures, even with my old camera and that's the reason you have had so many good photos lately. --The Photographer (talk) 14:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Donation: Samsung ES81

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More than a month has passed. Given to

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Hi, I donate a used black version of a Samsung ES81 (+battery and an charger). It is a simple camera, easy to use. Thank You!--Steinsplitter (talk) 12:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Candidatures

• I've lost my compact so could use it. Some photos I took with a compact in the past: the Thalys indoor (i) (ii), a tunnel, a red light in 3 colors, a metro.
  My first use of it would be to photography the Charleroi (Belgium) new metro stations, to be put in service Q2 2013 and not yet available on Commons. --Dereckson (talk) 16:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Note that due to the lack of panorama in Belgium, the photos of metro stations open in 2013 can not be uploaded on Commons. Without any prejudice to the nomination.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:21, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Maybe were a little bit enthousiastic talking about "station": the new portion resurrects an old tram line, in site propre (road dedicated to the tram). The stops are platform slightly elevated, without any original architectural work (there is one exception: a serie of black arches at one place, meeting originality and so blocked by lack of FoP). The interest of these pictures is to answer exhaustively and offer a comprehensive set of collections of one photo by metro stop. As a Commons administrator, I handle FoP cases, and as a speaker, I gave talks about FoP e.g. here, for an artist residency, so I tend to forget it's not clear everyone knows FoP issues by heart and knows very well it's okay when saying I'm going to upload recent architectural stuff.

Oh by the way, I received in private an observation this equipment exchange procedure should be mainly targeted to people with difficult access otherwise to material, like Southern hemisphere users. If such candidature would arise, I will withdraw mine. --Dereckson (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Equipment exchange is for anyone who needs it, and it's up to the donator who they think is the best person to give it to. So please don't feel bound to withdraw. :-) I also agree with your statements about FOP and the station (not all architectural works are copyrightable). Dcoetzee (talk) 08:43, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Donation: Canon PowerShot SD1000

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A used silver version of this camera, along with a case, a battery and an American-standard charger.

Hi,

I have a used silver version of a Canon-PowerShot-SD1000, along with a case, a battery and an American-standard charger that I'd like to donate to someone who could use it, preferably in a part of the world that is under-represented on commons. It's a simple camera, easy to use. Thanks! Victorgrigas (talk) 18:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Please let them have this befitting gift!

This could be the best gift from an international Wikipedian to a humble tribal school in India of which, the students run a Post office, a TV News studio/channel , a museum and a organic farm (of course, a scaled down version but all fully functional).

We had our own community (http://ml.wikipedia.org) celebrating their 10th anniversary with these children in that remote area deep within the tropical forests away from the internet, mobile phones (and even land phones). We are about to go back to them soon and make it a model base of rural Wikipedia within Indian conditions.

A Camera like this can add a lot of motivation for them. It will also help them capture lots of wild life species of flora and fauna that can be uploaded to commons.(very possibly, some yet to be known or identified by outside world and scientific community).

Here is a budding page on their school: w:Palayathu_Vayal_Govt._UP_School

and here are some photos, available at commons, captured during Vanayathra (Jungle expedition) as part of http://ml.wikipedia.org 10th anniversary celebrations in and near this school ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) (talk) 18:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support would be great if it could be donated to them! I'm sure that we will get plenty of pictures(I guess mostly the flora and fauna) to commons through the pupils and teachers. --Vaishak Kallore | വൈശാഖ്‌ കല്ലൂര്‍ (talk) 19:04, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support The best gift the students of the tribal school would be an easy-to-use camera, with which they can capture pictures from the forest and upload to Commons. Photography would be a great learning experience for the students. It would also enable them to bring many new pictures to the Commons. --Netha Hussain (talk) 19:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support Can´t imagine a better place to send the camera :D Béria Lima ^msg 20:02, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support And hopefully we can cut transportation costs by having some wikimedian or staff member take it to india on his way there ;) --Solstag (talk) 20:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The camera uses an NB4L battery and comes with an American charger. It would need an adapter for Indian power. I would actually prefer to personally purchase & donate a solar charger for the battery if the camera is going to a remote location where power might be an issue. Victorgrigas (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Typically, these cameras have a 110-240 Volts 60/50Hz supply inlets. Except for the very Plug, these should work at any of the Commercial Electrical Supply standards over the world. Can you please physically verify? If so, the plug can either be simply replaced or made compatible with a suitable simple adapter. Although the school has some (often unreliable) electrical power connection available, the solar charger is a great idea! However, additional cost, availability and logistics of such a wonderful 'extra' could be a deterrent. Perhaps, a simple USB card reader and an extra Memory card would be a better substitute. Who knows, motivated by this kind gesture, we ourselves (from ml.wiki etc.) might take up the idea of getting solar power for the energy needs of the entire school from alternate local resources! ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) (talk) 21:30, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The camera has no power adapter and seems to only be able to be powered from the battery. That said, an adapter could be used for the battery charger which is also being donated Victorgrigas (talk) 22:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I certainly meant the charger for the battery. Not a direct adapter to the camera itself. :) ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) (talk) 22:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support Having known the school for its activities, I would certainly welcome donating it to them. --Sreejith K (talk) 22:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support Can't imagine how much the children in the forest will be thrilled when they will put their hands on a still camera, it will give them the power to capture the world around them, and to understand and study more about it. Kevinsooryan (talk) 01:19, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support-Rajesh Odayanchal 01:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support---Vijayakumarblathur (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)vijayakumarblathur--Vijayakumarblathur (talk) 02:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support --Vssun (talk) 02:27, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support --Manojk (talk) 03:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support - Oh yes Tinucherian (talk) 03:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support Great idea. I hope that this decision may invite other persons who interested to contribute more to this scholl. There may be 4 or 6 classrooms in that school. If every class room get separate camera, which will help them in their class room activites ! --Adv.tksujith (talk) 03:40, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support -Hrishikesh.kb (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support --സുഗീഷ് (talk) 04:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support -- PrinceMathew (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support -- Gaurav Pruthi (talk)

 Support--[[ഉ:Drajay1976|അജയ് ബാലചന്ദ്രന്‍]] ([[ഉസം:Drajay1976|സംവാദം]]) (talk) 06:12, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support -- Sundar (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support -- Yuvipanda (talk) 07:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support --കുമാര്‍ വൈക്കം (talk) 08:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Comment I can sense some serious canvassing going on here, with the discussion changing into a vote right now... odder (talk) 08:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

You can sense because there it is a canvassing going on! Béria Lima ^msg 14:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

This discussion was notified in wikiml-l mailing list as well, but I believe that everyone who supported here (including me) genuinely feels that the underprivileged school at this remote location will greatly benefit by this donation. --Sreejith K (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Great! --Arayilpdas (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 Comment Seriously, this is getting ridiculous; all those !votes do not bring any added value to the discussion. odder (talk) 09:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support --Vinayaraj (talk) 13:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support Ranjukrishna92 (talk) 15:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support If they send us a group photo of them in front of, or riding an elephant.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

 Support--Arayilpdas (talk) 04:09, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate you all expressing your enthusiasm for this recipient, but on this page the donor always chooses whoever they please, and no one else has appeared to claim the camera, so it is likely that the Indian school will receive it. Even if there were other prospective recipients, the donor's mind would not be swayed by simple votes of support that offer no good reason to prefer one recipient over another. If you simply wish to express enthusiasm, I recommend waiting until after the donation is made to congratulate them. Dcoetzee (talk) 10:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, we know that it's all upto the donor's decision and the supports will not be considered for donationg the equipment to them. But its just to express and show the donor/others that we wish to get the students something, because, we love and respect the tribal, hardworking school students and their teacher. :) That's the reason why the person did canvassing (Not sure whether the person was aware of canvasing or not, of-course its a new knowledge for me!) I guess --Vaishak Kallore | വൈശാഖ്‌ കല്ലൂര്‍ (talk) 13:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Great! the camera will go to the school. About the battery and the charging, can anyone say if the school has electricity to power the camera? If not could someone do some research to find an appropriate source of power for the camera to operate? Perhaps a solar charger for the battery charger (Canon CB-2LV G) or for the battery (Canon NB-4L)? I'd be happy to purchase the appropriate charger.Victorgrigas (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Victorgrigas, your kind gesture is highly appreciated.

The school has electric power available (despite the seasonal scheduled power cuts due to regional shortage of power -certain hours everyday). Hence, a Solar charger is not necessary. Instead, you could think of a spare battery as this may not be locally available. Since this model is perhaps upto 5 years old, the Li battery may have already run well towards the end of its life cycle. (An easy symptom is an apparent fattening of the battery so that it becomes a little tight within its compartment.) A spare battery will ensure further prolonged use of the camera. In addition, you may think of some extra memory cards.

To other users who expressed their opinions above: While the great gesture of Victorgrigas is intensely appreciated, to my own assessment, the material value of this used camera itself is not really very significant. A few of our own local Wikipedians could have easily financed/arranged a camera for this school. In fact, we are thinking of getting even some bigger resources for them. Nevertheless, this model of mutual help and symbiotic collaboration qualifies for tremendous praise. My intention to bring the page to many people's attention (from the communities I belong to) was not to build up a force of demand or influence by Votes for a mere camera but to let them know and appreciate such happenings. I also did not consider my message to the list as some form of "canvassing" as that term has a different sense and context (such as electing somebody to a position or getting some article out of a serious NPOV issue). One may also read the messages there carefully and notice the stress on the motivation by symbiosis. A token of support only meant an appreciation of this whole donation model. Perhaps, as someone already mentioned, this could have been done after Victor had decided on his own. In any case, I think the discussions here have further helped my sincere motives. Thank you each and everyone of you! ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful conclusion! Congratulations to Victor and Viswa! Vini 175 (talk) 02:49, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Donation: Nikon D200 and battery grip + Sigma 18-50/2.8

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The donation includes :

• a en:Nikon D200 body (resolution 10Mp, launched in 2007) fitted with a neoprene Matin strap;
• a Nikon MB-D200 vertical grip (please see WARNING below);
• a Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 EX DC Macro zoom lens;
• some Sandisk Extreme III Compact Flash cards (1 Gb and 4 Gb);
• two batteries (one original Nikon, a third-party compatible battery);
• a French user book (Maîtriser le Nikon D200 by Vincent Luc);
• all the usual trimmings: battery charger (French plug), etc.

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  The main components of the kit
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  All together now
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Important: the MB-D200 vertical grip fell once, breaking the (flimsy) battery trap lock. It cannot lock any more except with en:gaffer tape, as you can see on the picture. It works perfectly in every other respect. The grip is very useful to extend the battery life of the camera and to shoot in portrait mode, but you will need gaffer tape (can be included in the kit if you don't have easy access to it). The tape can be repositioned after you charge the batteries, and it lasts a long time.

Like Dcoetzee before me, I'd ideally like to find an active photo contributor who wants to upgrade from an inferior camera. I'm located in Paris, France. Thanks for your offers. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 21:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Update: Thanks for both candidatures. I will wait a full week (until Saturday 19) to let all interested people declare themselves. Also, I would like to stress that the whole kit weighs about 1.5 kg and isn't very unobtrusive. It's more suited to a fairly experienced photographer who isn't afraid of using big equipment. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 21:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Candidatures

1. I contribute to commons since 2007 and already travelled to a few countries (Portugal, Spain, Brazil and Argentina so far). I have around 2000 images uploaded to commons (category here). My last camera was a Sony Cyber-shot DSC-S2100 (lost in the airport when I was coming back from my last trip to Argentina - with all the pictures from WikiWomensCamp I took there). I'm located in Brazil and to buy a Nikon D200 I would spend around 9600 reais, which is around a year of salary of someone with my class of job. Could I have it? Béria Lima ^msg 23:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
   • Support. Béria is really active on Wikimedia projects and has a comprehensive gallery at Category:Files from Porto by Béria Lima to prove she will use the material. --Dereckson (talk) 05:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
2. Contribuyo a commons desde Septiembre del 2012 colaborando en crear una Wikipedia en Wayuunaiki idioma de la etnia indígenas a la cual pertenezco, las fotos que tomo son para contribuir a documentar dicha Wikipedia que hasta el momento va excelente y que los artículos son traducidos por mí y un compañero y también personas de dicha comunidad indígena. La Wikipedia en Wayuunaiki es un proyecto que busca reivindicar y contribuir al desarrollo del contenido libre de la etnia Wayuu los cuales habitan parte de Venezuela y Colombia y que luego abarcara diferentes etnias, estas son algunas de las imágenes (Category:Images sent by here). La cámara que tengo actualmente, me la dono uno de los integrantes de Wikimedia Venezuela, ya que anteriormente no estaba a mi alcance una cámara digital y es de manufacturer NIKON model COOLPIX L4 Copyright holder Copyright 2006. Estoy ubicado en Venezuela y una cámara como esta no podría estar a mi alcance económicamente ya que soy estudiante y no poseo un empleo, sería de gran ayuda poder contar con dicha cámara…User talk:Leonfd1992, 14 Enero de 2013 (UTC)
   • I can support Leonfd1992's request, as he is in a unique position of being able to document a unique culture (that of the en:Wayuu people), and both the Wayuuniki project (which is progressing strongly on Incubator) and Commons/other projects, would be better off if we could get a nice camera in the hands of Leonardo. russavia (talk) 01:15, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion

Thanks for both offers. I have chose Béria to receive the kit, because she already has some experience with a DSLR and will be in a better position to use a rather big camera. Please contact me to arrange shipping Béria; I will cover the shipping cost.

Leonfd1992 should have a decent camera indeed; I will try to find a solution for them. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 17:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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