Commons:Village pump/Proposals/Archive/2023/02

Please, make your programs complete

When someone publishes a spoof photo on Wikimedia, the bot puts a notice on the deletion request page (delete2) and the log page (delete3), but the programming remains unfinished. Why should I go to the scammer's site to explain that you have cheated? The picture in question is here and it doesn't show a platypus. Could you complete the program so that many users do not have to do unnecessary visits? I also refer you to the request: "Also, you may want to check the Wikimedia projects that use this item, and then remove or, if possible, replace with a better item." - This was unnecessary text. Maybe you yourself are willing to replace the scams with superior pictures so that you don't leave it to others to do. Jari Rauma (talk) 12:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

For the record, the bot did notify the uploader of your deletion request. It's just that Rudolphous removed that message from his talk page. So I don't see how any programming on the Commons side would be incomplete. De728631 (talk) 13:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. The program seemed to have worked correctly, but the user deleted the message. So it's pointless for me to report to him about a note, even though such a prompt is in Wikimedia's instruction, which is therefore incorrect. Jari Rauma (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

It is not incorrect, nor is it pointless to notify them. By removing the note, they are essentially certifying that they have seen it. The system is working correctly, as far as I can tell. — Huntster (t @ c) 14:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello from Finland! Huntster, you Anglish-master, the computer program did a good job of sending a message to the person. But I said, "it's pointless for me to report him. Please, don't change my words and subject. What is the logic behind your refuting your own words? When you answer this, we can discuss the meaning of the word "incorrectness". Jari Rauma (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jari Rauma: What bot? 2001:2003:F659:2D00:E192:F316:55C7:8830 used the QuickDelete gadget to tag File:Ornithorhynchus anatinus (37786073842).jpg for deletion, in the process notifying the uploader. Why do you feel compelled to follow instructions that were already followed?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 07:33, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Add "upload log" link to heading of mass DR on user

for example, Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Panoramio upload bot is for user:Panoramio upload bot. every heading has the format ".. (talk · contribs)".

i propose adding "upload log", that is, the format becomes ".. (talk · contribs · upload log)". the link will be [[Special:Log/upload/username]]. the link lets DR participants go straight to check a user's upload history, see how many red links there are...

to do this:

1. on MediaWiki:Gadget-VisualFileChange.js/core.js, insert mdUploadlogPrefix: mw.config.get( 'wgFormattedNamespaces' )[ -1 ] + ':Log/upload/', after line 1892.
2. on MediaWiki:Gadget-VisualFileChange.js/ui.js line 995, change '|contribs]])'; to '|contribs]] · [[' + vfc.mdUploadlogPrefix + target + '|upload log]])';.

RZuo (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Change UploadWizard feedback link

proposal: change the "Leave feedback" link on Special:UploadWizard from Commons:Upload Wizard feedback to Commons:Village pump.

reasons:

1. Commons:Upload Wizard feedback is a dead page.
2. the frequency of users' feedback is roughly a few times every month, so it's not expected to cause congestion on village pump. directing users to the most active public discussion page is good enough.

RZuo (talk) 17:23, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

as for why it doesnt link directly to phab: phab:T209336.--RZuo (talk) 19:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

•  Support = Feedback page has 261 watchers[1], VP has 3,225 watchers so not only would they recieve a reply much quicker there but they'd also recieve an actual reply as opposed to potentially being ignored (of course that could happen here too but it's highly unlikely), Makes sense, Easy support. –Davey2010^Talk 17:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

•  Support Village Pump definitely has more eyes on it, and certainly Upload Wizard should be fixed so uploaders are properly educated about Creative Commons licenses. Abzeronow (talk) 17:26, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

•  Oppose VP is a good place for blowing off steam, but most actual problems should go either straight phabricator or to COM:VP/T. The current solution with a box explaining the different options is the better one, imho. Just remove everything else from the page so nobody thinks they're supposed to leave feedback right there. Essentially turn it into a landing page that redirects users to the right place for their problem. Also, change "Leave feedback" to "Report a problem" on Special:UploadWizard. WMF is not looking for feedback on the design of the whole thing any more, and in any case VP would be the wrong place to propose any changes. --El Grafo (talk) 08:12, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

@RZuo, Davey2010, Abzeronow, and El Grafo: Why should we continue to feed into the myth that WMF developers care about feedback on the Upload Wizard?   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ _{please ping or talk to me}🇺🇦 16:35, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Upload Wizard definitely needs some adjustments so uploaders don't put clearly public domain files as Creative Commons 4.0 files and adjustments could prevent this, and if WMF devs don't see this as a problem that needs fixes, then we should make sure feedback on that problem is in a forum with as many eyes as possible. Abzeronow (talk) 16:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

When will we learn that most ppl dont care and understand. They have a goal and want to achieve it, they dobt care about rules. They need time to learn them. Give ppl time to learn. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:04, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

@Jeff G. what's your point? They consider it complete and have moved from active development to maintenance. That doesn't mean we shouldn't help people with solvable problems at VP/T. That also doesn't mean that we should stop reporting bugs at phabricator. What it does mean is that the feedback page is obsolete because feature requests posted there won't be read. Feature requests made on phabricator likely won't be answered either, but at least they can't claim they didn't see them. El Grafo (talk) 07:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Mobile app: Zusammenarbeit von Wikimedia Commons und OpenStreetMap / Wikimedia Commons and OpenStreetMap collaboration.

de:

Mit der Commons App einfach Bilder aufnehmen und automatisch mit Objekten in OSM verbinden.

Idee des Prozesses:

• mit Commons App in OpenStreetMap Karte hinneinzoomen
• Objekt auswählen
• mit Commons App Foto aufnehmen
• Das Foto wird veröffentlicht
• anschließend wird im Knotenobjekt in OpenStreetMap unter Details der Schlüssel „wikimedia_commons“ mit dem Wert „File:Bildname“ hinterlegt

en:

Easily take pictures with the Commons app and automatically connect them to objects in OSM.

Idea of the process:

• zoom into OpenStreetMap map with Commons app.
• Select object
• take a photo with Commons App
• photo will be published
• then the key "wikimedia_commons" with the value "File:Image name" is stored in the node object in OpenStreetMap under Details

see also: Commons:Mobile app/Feedback – Wikimedia Commons Molgreen (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Write from Commons directly into OSM dataset

Or another idea: would it be conceivable to write from Commons directly to the OSM database. Assuming you know the OSM object ID of a mapped object, you could add it like a category to the properties of the image --Molgreen (talk) 15:22, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I suspect the better route would be through Wikidata. Each Commons picture or category for which there is a WD item should have a link to that item, and each WD item that has a corresponding OSM object ID should link to that. Jim.henderson (talk) 13:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, linking from Wikidata to OSM elements has one major problem: OSM's object IDs are not permanent and can change when the map is edited. El Grafo (talk) 14:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

The same problem is when you try to use OSM object id as properties of image. In any case currently proper way is to add wikidata items to Openstreetmap. (and if you need them in SPARQL then make federated queries through Sophox) However, this doesn't help if one need items in Lua or template code. -- Zache (talk) 14:09, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Eqsily done, using https://wikishootme.toolforge.org/ -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)