Comments: "Do not change first line"?? Had nothing to do with "changing first line" as far as I can tell, I can't edit this caption (no option to edit) and I can't revert it. Multicherry (talk) 22:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: The "File Information" -> "Captions" box at the top now shows an "edit" link which wasn't there before. I'm not sure why this is. (The reason I tried to undo the previous- unsatisfactory- caption is that I wanted to see if that would let me re-enter it).
You tried to change the first line on a file page. The first line should always be a heading or a template. If you want to add some information write it into the template. If you want to report an error with the file please use the talk page.
In case you were actually making an acceptable contribution, please report this error here. Thank you.
I wasn't changing the first line (i.e. a heading or a template). I wasn't explicitly doing anything "within the captions space" or otherwise; the "undo" button simply affects that edit- the edit which added the English caption!- which is a part of the file history, and which provoked that response when I tried to undo it.
Whether or not this is an issue now that the problem has resolved itself and let me edit the caption the way I'd originally wanted, this still seems like an unclear response at best and an error at worst. Multicherry (talk) 18:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: - While the initial problem I had resolved itself (though it's not clear why), the one I was actually trying to raise here- i.e. why a caption edit can't be undone even though an "undo" is offered, and why it provoked that unclear and inappropriate response- still exists and isn't actually "resolved" as indicated below.
That said, I'm not sure this is the place to discuss that further and I didn't really want to get into an extended discussion in the first place, so I'll leave it at that anyway. Thank you for your help and all the best, Multicherry (talk) 11:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Multicherry: This is not the forum to resolve why the caption aspect wasn't working for you, or is otherwise problematic. Please take that to Com:VP. This forum is to resolve issues around abuse filters, which is not this issue, though became a consequence of other issues. — billinghurstsDrewth02:47, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Billinghurst: Two points:- (1) I'd already clarified that it wasn't the original caption issue I was reporting here, and (2) I'd *already* acknowledged above that this might be the wrong place to discuss it and had made clear I didn't intend to do so further here!
However, if you wish to prolong the discussion and push the issue anyway, let me be clear- I reported the issue here in the first place because the message I received (above) explicitly asked that I do so and linked to the AB error reporting form:-
In case you were actually making an acceptable contribution, please report this error here. Thank you.
If that wasn't what you wanted people doing, can you please take it up with whoever is responsible for setting it up that way. Thank you.
I am not criticising your reporting here. I am just saying that this forum is not the one to resolve it. Sometimes things can have two inputs, and the abuselog is just one aspects in this situation. — billinghurstsDrewth01:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit kind: In trying to add the additional information that: This erroneously captioned photo actually depicts a scene from Varney Monk's 1934 musical "The Cedar Tree" (see https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/page/12168751 for further photos from the production.) - my proposed edit was blocked
Comments: This photo was incorrectly captioned on its original publication by "Wireless Weekly" in 1938 and the error should be corrected for the benefit of theatre historians who accept it "on trust" without seeking to verify its validity. Semorix (talk) 01:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit kind: Upload an artistic interpretation of the new flag of israel.
Comments: The image reflects the irony of a people targeted for extermination uses symbolism and propaganda the distract from their campaign to exterminate Palestinians. The design is not unlike other uploaded designs. It is a political statement and a thought provoking image. The purpose is to let israel know that they are not fooling everyone and to suggest the hypocrisy of their "defense" campaign. It is an ironic union of two previously opposite symbols. To block this upload would be just another act to enable the hatred and silence the voices of the global majority that oppose the terror. It is indeed a sad age we live in. Tesammon (talk) 09:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Edit kind: I was trying to update a file but was getting the error message: "File overwriting not allowed. You attempted to overwrite a file that was not initially uploaded by you." However, I created this file on Wikipedia and was transferred to Wikipedia Commons by another user. Therefore, I should be able to overwrite this file with a new version.
Just reverting any revision at any time can be problematic. I was able to go the the revision of interest, and follow the provided link You cannot edit the wikitext on this revision of the page, as there have been changes to the data on the page since this revision that are not wikitext-based. To restore this revision click here. where the link was in the form https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Michael_Jackson_Dangerous_World_Tour_1993.jpg&action=mcrrestore&restore=862122648. The filter is responding, though it is not the root issue here. — billinghurstsDrewth12:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jeff G.: Not certain that I need to be told how to suck eggs here. @TechnoSquirrel69: I have made a change to the filter, as it may be the order of how things work with the filter vs. the "no revert" component (I cannot tell which acts first), and my rights may not show me what you see. See how you go now with similar reverts. — billinghurstsDrewth12:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSquirrel69: to confirm that you followed the link on the previous occasion, or were you trying revert? That component is unclear in the initial report. For me, I went to the actual edit in the history, not sitting in the comparative old/new phase, and followed the link that I reproduced above. — billinghurstsDrewth22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a true positive to me; you might notice that the IP editor removed the header on the first line and did not replace it with a header or template, which is exactly what the filter is preventing. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 02:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the technical detail of what the caption editor does with a page, so I then to say how it interacts with the abusefilter is difficult. Each of the cases is relating to fouled metadata through the captions. Finding that clarity easily is a PITA. — billinghurstsDrewth04:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Commons:File_captions#Where_are_captions_stored? maybe visible to the abusefilter and seen as the initial part of the page with regard to what it sees. Whether there is the means to see where a caption ends and the "real" page starts, I dunno, it is all hidden away from the visual eye, and one needs to inspect the packets, and not something that I have had the need to do. — billinghurstsDrewth04:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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